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Post by Ladybug82 Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:14 pm

I don't think Nick takes advantage of girls at all.  I think the girls offer and he just accepts what's given, like Liz at Janner's wedding.  Not saying it is or isn't right or sleezy or gross or whatever.  But I don't think he's going to force or take advantage of a situation at all.  And IMO, my idea and meaning of taking advantage may differ from others.  So IMO, that may be something that needs to be defined and not something we just bat around carelessly.

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Post by CHO Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:44 pm

I guess I am one of the few - I liked the episode last night. It was wonderful to see Nick smiling and laughing and being amused - as opposed to the serious tearful talks he has with Vanessa. I liked the way Raven and N differed on the topic of ironing/steaming pants - they were adorable - and neither got mad - it was fun and playful. Raven has a good sense of humor - she is edgy - salty and sweet -- and very patient. Their times together are upbeat. There's too much heavy stuff with Vanessa. Maybe Vanessa is too much like Nick - too much in his head. He told Vanessa he was looking for someone different this time. I feel Vanessa is a lot like Andi. The discussion ---- they were together at the beginning, now he is down and she is up but he drags her down - does he see that ? etc --- just too heavy for my taste. Vanessa has been disappointed, wanting to re-evaluate - does she really know the Nick she has "fallen in love" with. Yes, Raven is inexperienced but she has been willing to trust Nick and take her time and see where all of this goes - she has been playing it smart. Nick says he has been falling harder and harder for Raven each time they are together. Is that what whoever the F1 wants to hear a week before a possible proposal ??
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Post by atem Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:49 pm

CHO wrote:I guess I am one of the few  - I liked the episode last night.  It was wonderful to see Nick smiling and laughing and being amused - as opposed to the serious tearful talks he has with Vanessa.  I liked the way Raven and N differed on the topic of ironing/steaming pants - they were adorable - and neither got mad - it was fun and playful.  Raven has a good sense of humor - she is edgy - salty and sweet -- and very patient. Their times together are upbeat.   There's too much heavy stuff with Vanessa.  Maybe Vanessa is too much like Nick - too much in his head.  He told Vanessa he was looking for someone different this time. I feel Vanessa is a lot like Andi.  The discussion ---- they were together at the beginning, now he is down and she is up but he drags her down - does he see that ? etc --- just too heavy for my taste.   Vanessa has been disappointed, wanting to re-evaluate - does she really know the Nick she has "fallen in love" with.  Yes, Raven is inexperienced but she has been willing to trust Nick and take her time and see where all of this goes - she has been playing it smart.  Nick says he has been falling harder and harder for Raven each time they are together.  Is that what whoever the F1 wants to hear a week before a possible proposal ??

I liked it! It was a fun date and that's what I watch the show for.


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Post by Seabear Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:41 pm

It never ceases to amaze me what people will say and do on this show.dizzy
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Post by Newto Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:18 pm

I think Raven talking about the big O was way out of line. This is something that should not have been shown. I am no prude but this made the episode sleezy for me. JMO.


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Post by Guest Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:49 pm

It felt about as appropriate as Corinne's platinum vagine and showing us her hiney over and over. Tptb are in it for the shock value - beating Jerry Springer at the game. imo

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Post by MVMom39forever Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:03 am

^^^ yes I agree...both girls came across trashy imo and I am very liberal. Raven's confession seemed more about sticking it to her ex than anything else. She is clearly not over him.
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Post by MiaHawk Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:20 am

Raven took the phrase "kiss and tell" to a whole different level. And it wasn't a good level. hmmm

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Post by Cocoasneeze Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:59 am

IMO she used the show to shame her ex again and again. IMO that's a new level of vengeful and petty.
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Post by atem Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:19 am



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Post by atem Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:07 pm

I sure hope a friend or someone tells Raven to meet Bonner Bolton (Sharna's partner on DWTS)! He is so nice and he's 29!


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