Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #5

^^^I was thinking N & V already split and now think otherwise after more reading online and fact that she signed with agent. Clearly she is looking for job opportunities, so guessing that she may not stay in her role.

I am a sucker for happy ending so would be delighted to see one. I am sick of drama and of seeing Nick go thru motions with nearly everyone. I hope to see the Nick and Vanessa that I saw on first date again next week.

Also, good for Vanessa for signing with talent agent. Girl needs to take care of herself too. If it's okay for Nick, just as okay for her.

As far as RS recap of fight....I am not taking sides and don't care. It's a high pressure and wacky situation. Totally unnatural. I am sure they are both at fault. Why it's coming out now....the source, imo, is the show!!! They want to build publicity for next week's show starring none other than...Vanessa and Rachel.

Perfect timing, right!?

Holy moly I just caught up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First of all, not that i am shocked but the whole build up for the "blow out in Bimini" ended with a big fat dud. Seriously?!!!!!!!! I know there are thoughts that TPTB didn't show this to protect one or both women but if the description of this heresay has any truth to it (which will always be debatable unless the confrontation is shown) then it must not have been that explosive or scandalous as I truly believe TPTB on this show would not hesitate to show what they perceive as top notch drama. JMO.

On another note, I would love it if Nissa try to live in NYC! I want to think that Nick proclaiming a love for NYC and it being shown has more implications to it post filming. I also think it is very possible NYC has been a location at one time (or mutliple) for SHV.

MVMom39forever wrote:snipped

Girl needs to take care of herself too. If it's okay for Nick, just as okay for her.

If it's okay for Nick, and everyone else, just as okay for her. I don't see why Vanessa wouldn't be entitled to any opportunities just like the countless former contests IMHO.

northernviewer wrote:Just read RS version of the showdown, as told by Rachel or one of her cohorts

Its a one sided biased acoount, so I'm going to take 5 pts from Rachel, the fact that its being repeated publically makes me think Rachel is vindictive and probably did get some girls to side with her, so I'm tsking 5 more pts from her.  I made a comment in the unspoiled section after first episode that there was something' about the lawyer who got the FIR that I wasnt sure about, so Im taking 10 pts off because my first impression was right IMO.  

I like that Vanessa approached Rachel and wanted to talk about their conflict so Ill give her 5 pts.  Vanessa  was friends with Danielle M so I'll give her 5 pts.  Vanessa has remained classy post show, so Im giving her 10 pts.

Vanessa +20 Rachel -20

Sometimes you just have to do the math  

@northernviewer....

Love this!  Like you, there was something nagging at me about Rachel from the beginning but I could never put my finger on it.  Glad to know I wasn't alone!

GA...yes I agree. Shilling doesn't bother me cause I don't follow anyone on SM.

Just hope that they have something else to fall back on cause it seems fleeting.

northernviewer wrote:Just read RS version of the showdown, as told by Rachel or one of her cohorts

Its a one sided biased acoount, so I'm going to take 5 pts from Rachel, the fact that its being repeated publically makes me think Rachel is vindictive and probably did get some girls to side with her, so I'm tsking 5 more pts from her.  I made a comment in the unspoiled section after first episode that there was something' about the lawyer who got the FIR that I wasnt sure about, so Im taking 10 pts off because my first impression was right IMO.  

I like that Vanessa approached Rachel and wanted to talk about their conflict so Ill give her 5 pts.  Vanessa  was friends with Danielle M so I'll give her 5 pts.  Vanessa has remained classy post show, so Im giving her 10 pts.

Vanessa +20 Rachel -20

Sometimes you just have to do the math  

Love this!!!!!!!!

I just listened to JJ and RS interview and he's so right and couldn't said it better.
This reality life isn't going to last your whole life, right now they are young nd single and don't have kids so its easy but they want a real family they can't keep doing IG ads.
It will only last for a few years till you need to get an actual job and need to think long term.

truthfully people don't wanna go on the show to find love anymore, they do it get IG famous and go on BIP to get more famous.

I can't help but laugh at Rachel telling Vanessa she didn't have a problem with her but yet was uncomfortable around her. Guess what, Rachel? That is a problem. Wow, that's somewhat common sense unless Rachel is only book-smart and not street-smart.

2ndcampbell wrote: I can't help but laugh at Rachel telling Vanessa she didn't have a problem with her but yet was uncomfortable around her. Guess what, Rachel?  That is a problem. Wow, that's somewhat common sense unless Rachel is only book-smart and not street-smart.

Did she say she did not have a problem or did she say she is keeping her distance?

I don't think there is a huge difference.
Hold my hand and let me take 15 seconds and decide.

@reason according to RS, she didn't have a problem with V but V made her uncomfortable. She didn't want to align herself with someone like Vanessa (shade of Josh not associating with people like Nick/Juan?) because how V was two-faced with some of the contestants.

I don't like taking word for word what RS says as truth. I am pretty doubtful that whoever told him this drama was verbatim or 100% accurate. He may be 99.9% correct with spoilers but I don't trust this. I doubt Rachel said "I don't have a problem with you but I am uncomfortable around you" That doesn't make sense. We will never know though. I am sure Vanessa told Rachel how she felt and I am sure Rachel probably told Rachel how she felt, but I doubt the exact words and that Rachel got the other girls to "be on her side"... People keep forgetting that the "squad" (Alexis, Astrid, Sarah, Whitney, etc...) were all eliminated when the so called "blow up in Bimini" took place, and Vanessa had two friends present. Danielle M and Kristina. Also, when Danielle M was sent home Rachel, Raven, and Kristina said goodbye to her and hugged her. Vanessa wasn't there. Does that mean Danielle M took Rachel's side too? I doubt it. I am taking this all with a grain of salt. This is all JMO.