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Post by MonicaJM2001 Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:26 am

2 drinks per hour? laugh out loud yeah.....way to crack the whip producers. Rolling Eyes


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Post by missnana Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:04 am

I just watched Demario's interview with E news, and I have to say I am disgusted by Corrine's actions and selfishness. The guy went thru hell because of her. Terrible person
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Post by Sarahkyla Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:40 am

@midoribikinis has a couple videos of Raven and her date in her IG stories

Someone must be using his SM while he's gone cause there were tweets and likes while he was on the date

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Post by GuardianAngel Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:14 am

This is quite long but holy smokes, I can't imagine all this crap. I didn't copy the whole interview so go to the link for the full story. It gets worse.

There is also a vid of his interview in the link.

How are you doing?

This week has been wild. It's been a crazy roller coaster but throughout the whole entire process my mother, my father, aunts, uncles...school teachers, all my castmates...It's been humbling. You can meet people for three days. I knew them for less than 72 hours and in that time frame, they went to bat for me. They spoke on my integrity and who I was as a man and what I did on set, and it was just really humbling.

I can't even imagine how it would feel to be accused of something so serious—sexual misconduct.

It was stressful for me...My dad, he kept me extremely strong and kept me grounded and humble, but having your mom cry every day for something you know you didn't do, something that you knew was on tape, something that so many people saw and witnessed—and for me I kept playing it over and over in my head, "Why is this happening?" I'm extremely thankful for family and friends, that's the number one thing that I can stress that's got me through the hardest 11 days of my entire life.

How did you break the news to your family about the accusation?

I went to my dad's house and I was pacing back and forth. He goes, "Hey, like, what's wrong?" It was just one of those father-type moments where he knew...moments later my mother called me, it was mother's intuition.

Telling them what happened from my side and what was being put out on the Internet...I saw nasty things on both sides. They were shaming her, shaming me. All you saw was "black man, white girl" and you just assumed the worst. I was raised by a strong mother, I have sisters, I like a lot of dominant strong women, and to see Corinne get disrespected and her name dragged through the mud…it just sucked. To witness it and be in the middle of a scandal, but it was turned into this this race war. It was black and white. And it wasn't the case. People were saying bad things about her and me and before anything was out, we were already guilty

Let's go right back to the beginning of the story...

When you first arrive, you're in your hotel room and you're pretty pumped for it. It's a great feeling because if you are in it, you understand how you could find love. You're in Mexico, you have great food, great drinks…the ambience is just magnificent. It's very romantic.

[The producers ask you] "Who do you want to see here? Do you have any crushes from past seasons?" I knew, like, Corinne, Raven [Gates] and Alexis [Waters]. Just based off of what I saw personality-wise.

So you already liked Corinne before meeting her?

One hundred percent. What I liked about Corinne was the zero f--ks attitude. She's just very out there, like a very spiritual vibe. She could care less about what anybody else thinks.

Describe that first moment of actually meeting Corinne.

The first moment was great. When I came down the stairs, it was crazy because from the last season with the fake girlfriend of mine, I was like the villain [from my season on The Bachelorette].

I was nervous. I was sweating...Like I'm down here with all of Rachel's friends...then Alexis grabbed my hand and said, 'let's go take a shot'...It was like the weight had been lifted off of me.

Our first real conversation was at the bar. We were complimenting each other on being villains. I was like, "Look, I've accepted this role. In real life, I hang out with my grandmother on weekends. But you remember the villains." We were just kind of laughing, "Oh we're about to dominate Paradise," like homie stuff. Then, we had a few drinks. And then she hops in my arms and starts making out with me.
Was she a good kisser?

She's a great kisser! I am looking at my castmates like, "Yeah, man, I got this." I am leading by example. Cameras are all on us…based off of what I've seen last season with Nick [Viall on The Bachelor], it was a Corinne moment. One of the moments where it's going to be like, 'Oh my God, everybody is going to be tweeting about it, Facebooking, Instagramming." It was a great moment!
Are you thinking, "This is going to get us attention"?

Yeah! Our conversation leading up to that point was talking about dominating Paradise. For her it was like, "follow my lead" type of thing, she was very confident. I was complimenting her, "Yo, you built your brand, you built everything off of these wow moments." And my season with Rachel, I had a lot wow moments. And she's like, "That's just who we are, people like us, we say things, we do things."

http://www.eonline.com/news/863444/demario-jackson-in-his-own-words-the-truth-about-the-sex-scandal-corinne-olympios-why-i-would-return-to-bachelor-in-paradise


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Post by northernviewer Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:01 am

2 drinks an hour will prevent contestants from getting alcohol poisoning or endangering themselves in ways that can come from binge drinking ... theyll still get drunk if theyre so inclined but not to the point of total stupidity .... and permission before sex is saying its mutual consent ... protects production and contestants, from either being taken advantage if or accused of any type of misconduct

Both rules smart and should have been in place since day one ... better late than never i guess.


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Post by Amethyst Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:00 pm

Wow. I feel like more pieces of the puzzle are falling into place, but there are some still missing. From the producer's comments to DeMario, it sounds like consent may not have been the biggest initial concern. The producer seemed far more concerned about the intimate/sexual activity that transpired between the two of them. The producer termed the footage "raunchy" and akin to "soft-core porn." Now when I read DeMario's account of what happened, it strikes me as not being the brightest idea in the world for them both to strip down naked in the pool. He states that after some making out, he sits on the ledge of the pool -- presumably still naked? Or does he cover himself with a towel? And then Corinne puts her private parts in his face. So my guess is that the producer's terminology probably has some accuracy to it. There was some pretty hot footage there.

So I ask myself, what has the show filmed before with regard to sex? Hijinks in the ocean, at a distance. The fantasy suites, with a shut door and a wink. The boom-boom room, probably with a camera that was already set up, and a blanket covering. Maybe some hanky-panky in the water, but the bikini top stays on normally, and no one is quite sure of what happened, so it's all good. Corrine took her bikini top off with Nick, but they are clearly just making out, and there's a crowd around, so the producers laugh and give it a pass. It sounds like the footage of DeMario and Corinne went well beyond that. It was no longer cute, flirty, fun, and largely hidden. It was loud, proud, and in your face.

Another puzzle piece is that the producers cut Corinne off from alcohol the very next day. That sounds drastic to me. Why did they do that? My initial thought was because she got sloppy drunk after her encounter with DeMario, resulting in an injury. But the raunchiness of the footage was also likely a huge factor.

My take is that she likely remembered everything about her encounter with DeMario, but perhaps realized in retrospect that she carried it too far. Her memory of the rest of the night (after they were all pounding back shots) might well be fuzzy to non-existent. So IMO Corinne may possibly be playing it coy by not owning up to what she did with DeMario in the pool.

The interesting thing to me is how DeMario pulls back the curtain on the amount of calculation that can be involved in the franchise. He and Corinne wanted time on camera, and did what they needed to do to get it. They just overshot.

I don't think DeMario deserves to be vilified for what happened in Paradise. But I do think that he (along with Corinne) showed a lack of judgment, and possibly a lack of understanding about the show. In this regard I think he was ill-advised by producers (given the Drake/Kanye comment.) I also don't find him to be a particularly admirable individual. *shrug*

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Post by Cocoasneeze Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:05 pm

cookielover12 wrote:I'm not sure how Raven is the one who every guy wants to date. JMO. I wonder if she'll end up engaged

I don't get the appeal. She's a petty girl with violent tendencies. She openly admitted to beating up her ex. Imo very unstable qualities. Jmo
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Post by Duke702 Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:13 pm

^^I think for guys...she has a nice body w/ fake boobs, also the accent, and that she's  got a feisty personality...jmo. 
I thought the stiletto story was insane. And she looked dumb with her "Ive never orgasmed" story, like who cares? TMI.

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Post by Sarahkyla Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:17 pm

Cocoasneeze wrote:
cookielover12 wrote:I'm not sure how Raven is the one who every guy wants to date. JMO. I wonder if she'll end up engaged

I don't get the appeal. She's a petty girl with violent tendencies. She openly admitted to beating up her ex. Imo very unstable qualities. Jmo

I doubt she's getting engaged. Doesn't seem like she's paired up with anyone in an exclusive way if she's accepting dates from the new guys.

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Post by nd4reality Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:19 pm

Sarahkyla wrote:@midoribikinis has a couple videos of Raven and her date in her IG stories

Someone must be using his SM while he's gone cause there were tweets and likes while he was on the date

Who  is her date ? ETA : Sorry if you cannot answer because of spoilers. Please don't.


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Post by Amethyst Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:29 pm

I liked Raven on Nick's season. She was my dark horse favorite early on. I didn't mind the stiletto story, I figured the jackass boyfriend probably deserved it. What I did mind was when she went mean girl later on. It was a video of her, Alexis, and two or three other girls. They may have been watching a clip of Vanessa together, I can't really recall. And there were just some mean girl comments. Maybe they were justified, but IMO there are some things that should not be said publicly. My opinion of her started to drop. And I've heard about some nasty comments that she's given to people on Instagram. To me, that's not the way to handle haters. Ignore them, delete them, or give a humorous reply. That's a more mature way to handle it. I'm just seeing some aspects of her personality that are a turn-off for me.
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Post by notarose Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:50 pm

@GuardianAngel
Thanks for posting the interview.
Certainly can empathize with D having to deal with a viral rumor especially this misinformation and the label of "rapist" or similiar...traumatic for his loved ones as well.
I am surprised that this was ever seen to be racial. IMO it was always about rumored specifics as they relate to consent like "limp in the hot tub" and her initiating oral sex in public. The color issue is as irrelevant to me in this situation as would be whatever religion each practices.
Aside from the damage caused through assumption, what really stood out is how he talks about the convo re:wow moments and thinking about how that would play to an audience. IMO a lot of cast probably revel in the thought that their words/actions will make great tv and this is only one of many people on seasons premeditating fame. In this case, it backfired.


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