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Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Thread #2

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Post by Nativenewyorker on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:58 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I think Ben F is definitely on the radar. My thinking is that the Bentley activities were added to give an excuse (she has to look more closely at the remaining guys after Bentley leaves) for her to start looking at Ben F. I think in fact that Ben F and Ashley were getting to know each other all along - but he is reserved and shy - they are both smart - probably being cautious and the conversations weren't too scintillating for this show ! Ben seems very confident and I think that is because he is getting good vibes from Ashley. JP is a little unsure - doesn't know what is going on in that head of hers. Drama drama drama ... but I think the slow simmering relationship with Ben is definitley heating up.

I also think Ben is on Ashley's radar. Now I'm not saying he's her frontrunner/F1, but she's noticed him. She flirts with him and she likes to touch him. Their relationship isn't as obviously physical as the one she has with JP, but there are subtleties that show her interest in him. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really think we'll see how she feels about these men about the time that HTD's start. IMO that's when the show starts getting worthwhile.

Ashley has to show that she's interested in other guys or we wouldn't have a TV show to watch. Just as Ali liked being around Chris and Brad had great connections with Chantal and Ashley I think the lead knows who they want to be with in the end. After Bentley left, Ashley took more notice of JP and realized that he is there for her and she doesn't want to lose him. That's what I meant when I said that he's really the only one on her radar. [/quote/]


I think that JP seemed more quietly confident in this latest episode. I think he made up his mind to go for it and just not hold back. When he and Ashley had their time before the RC, he said it. He told her that it did sting a little to see her go on the date with Ben F., but that he is strong and can take it. He sounded like a guy who knows what he wants and is going for it. He told her that he can see them together, thinks that's the way it is now. I don't sense the conflict that I did in the previous episode. JP has made up his mind!

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:08 pm

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@jojo47 wrote:
@CHO wrote:I think Ben F is definitely on the radar. My thinking is that the Bentley activities were added to give an excuse (she has to look more closely at the remaining guys after Bentley leaves) for her to start looking at Ben F. I think in fact that Ben F and Ashley were getting to know each other all along - but he is reserved and shy - they are both smart - probably being cautious and the conversations weren't too scintillating for this show ! Ben seems very confident and I think that is because he is getting good vibes from Ashley. JP is a little unsure - doesn't know what is going on in that head of hers. Drama drama drama ... but I think the slow simmering relationship with Ben is definitley heating up.

I also think Ben is on Ashley's radar. Now I'm not saying he's her frontrunner/F1, but she's noticed him. She flirts with him and she likes to touch him. Their relationship isn't as obviously physical as the one she has with JP, but there are subtleties that show her interest in him. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really think we'll see how she feels about these men about the time that HTD's start. IMO that's when the show starts getting worthwhile.

Ashley has to show that she's interested in other guys or we wouldn't have a TV show to watch. Just as Ali liked being around Chris and Brad had great connections with Chantal and Ashley I think the lead knows who they want to be with in the end. After Bentley left, Ashley took more notice of JP and realized that he is there for her and she doesn't want to lose him. That's what I meant when I said that he's really the only one on her radar.

That's the truth. She has to skate a fine line of making the viewers believe the boys are on equal footing but on the other hand making sure her F1 is comfortable and knows where she stands. She's probably having a hard time juggling both and it's probably why the Bentley drama was amped up to the max (IMO)

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Post by philphan on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:35 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I think Ben F is definitely on the radar. My thinking is that the Bentley activities were added to give an excuse (she has to look more closely at the remaining guys after Bentley leaves) for her to start looking at Ben F. I think in fact that Ben F and Ashley were getting to know each other all along - but he is reserved and shy - they are both smart - probably being cautious and the conversations weren't too scintillating for this show ! Ben seems very confident and I think that is because he is getting good vibes from Ashley. JP is a little unsure - doesn't know what is going on in that head of hers. Drama drama drama ... but I think the slow simmering relationship with Ben is definitley heating up.

I also think Ben is on Ashley's radar. Now I'm not saying he's her frontrunner/F1, but she's noticed him. She flirts with him and she likes to touch him. Their relationship isn't as obviously physical as the one she has with JP, but there are subtleties that show her interest in him. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really think we'll see how she feels about these men about the time that HTD's start. IMO that's when the show starts getting worthwhile.

Ashley has to show that she's interested in other guys or we wouldn't have a TV show to watch. Just as Ali liked being around Chris and Brad had great connections with Chantal and Ashley I think the lead knows who they want to be with in the end. After Bentley left, Ashley took more notice of JP and realized that he is there for her and she doesn't want to lose him. That's what I meant when I said that he's really the only one on her radar.

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Post by jojo47 on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:20 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I think Ben F is definitely on the radar. My thinking is that the Bentley activities were added to give an excuse (she has to look more closely at the remaining guys after Bentley leaves) for her to start looking at Ben F. I think in fact that Ben F and Ashley were getting to know each other all along - but he is reserved and shy - they are both smart - probably being cautious and the conversations weren't too scintillating for this show ! Ben seems very confident and I think that is because he is getting good vibes from Ashley. JP is a little unsure - doesn't know what is going on in that head of hers. Drama drama drama ... but I think the slow simmering relationship with Ben is definitley heating up.

I also think Ben is on Ashley's radar. Now I'm not saying he's her frontrunner/F1, but she's noticed him. She flirts with him and she likes to touch him. Their relationship isn't as obviously physical as the one she has with JP, but there are subtleties that show her interest in him. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really think we'll see how she feels about these men about the time that HTD's start. IMO that's when the show starts getting worthwhile.

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Post by gurlbrit on Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:05 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Most women, IMO tend to feel strongest emotionally about the guy they're also attracted to the most - see Ashley with Bentley :no:

Guys on the other hand, have no problem separating the emotional from the physical - they are able to pick the girl they find the most sexy, be physically intimate throughout the season and then dump her at F2 for the girl that they want emotionally. This usually results in a more muted physical for their F1 and an outrageous chemistry with F2 (usually means the F2 interprets the physical affection as love, falls in love and gets her heart broken at the FRC) There are again, exceptions - like Jake with Tenley, but I CANNOT see Tenley getting a sexy edit, so there's that giggling

I think we're going to have to watch for the subtleties in the Bach seasons, but learn to be less skeptical of the in-your-face chemistry edit in Bach'ettes. JM2C Smiley

Good Post I agree word

You said this so much better than I could.

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Post by noobsleuth on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:47 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I noticed that most of us have different interpretations of F2 chemistry edit. This misunderstanding has gone on for a bit. I will use paragraphs of 2 random posts as examples.

In relation to Ben F the post says = “The late date in epi 5, Ames’ comment about their chemistry, Ashley talking about their passion and how she can see an everyday life with him”

In relation to JP the post says =”When she is with JP, she is always close to him, sits in his lap and kisses that go on forever. (Fanning myself while typing) “

Generally TALKING about chemistry could mean connection, in sync, they always look to see where the other is, a mutual attraction. This is a Fleiss F1 edit. On the other hand, when they cannot keep their hands off each other, sitting on lap, always kissing, when the expression “get a room” comes to mind as in “fanning myself while typing”. THIS IS the Fleiss F2 chemistry edit. Chemistry as used in F2 edit Is sexual as in Brad Chantal.

So we see that JP clearly has the F2 chemistry edit.

Don't mean to be combative, but I think we need to differentiate between the Bachelor seasons and the Bachelorette seasons.

Ali/Roberto had chemistry as did Meredith/Ian, Jen/Jerry, and dare I say it Jillian/Ed. All were female leads and went with the person they seemed to have the most chemistry with.

In the Bachelor seasons, it appears that the opposite is true. I really don't think comparisons between male and female leads will work when determining a chemistry edit. My opinion only though.

I wrote a post like this earlier and then deleted it because I didn't want to open this can of worms since I am terrible with words and expressing my thoughts. BUT I am glad you did... great post... ITA.

Technically though a few the past couple of Bachelor seasons have even resulted in a physical F1. Jake had heat with Vienna and not with Tenley and made that known on their LCD. Jason picked Melissa who he couldn't keep his hands off of all season. I got the impression that Matt was physical with BOTH Shayne and Chelsea.


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Post by CHO on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:44 pm

I think Ben F is definitely on the radar. My thinking is that the Bentley activities were added to give an excuse (she has to look more closely at the remaining guys after Bentley leaves) for her to start looking at Ben F. I think in fact that Ben F and Ashley were getting to know each other all along - but he is reserved and shy - they are both smart - probably being cautious and the conversations weren't too scintillating for this show ! Ben seems very confident and I think that is because he is getting good vibes from Ashley. JP is a little unsure - doesn't know what is going on in that head of hers. Drama drama drama ... but I think the slow simmering relationship with Ben is definitley heating up.

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Post by ninu on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:37 pm

Most women, IMO tend to feel strongest emotionally about the guy they're also attracted to the most - see Ashley with Bentley :no:

Guys on the other hand, have no problem separating the emotional from the physical - they are able to pick the girl they find the most sexy, be physically intimate throughout the season and then dump her at F2 for the girl that they want emotionally. This usually results in a more muted physical for their F1 and an outrageous chemistry with F2 (usually means the F2 interprets the physical affection as love, falls in love and gets her heart broken at the FRC) There are again, exceptions - like Jake with Tenley, but I CANNOT see Tenley getting a sexy edit, so there's that giggling

I think we're going to have to watch for the subtleties in the Bach seasons, but learn to be less skeptical of the in-your-face chemistry edit in Bach'ettes. JM2C Smiley

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Post by philphan on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:14 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I noticed that most of us have different interpretations of F2 chemistry edit. This misunderstanding has gone on for a bit. I will use paragraphs of 2 random posts as examples.

In relation to Ben F the post says = “The late date in epi 5, Ames’ comment about their chemistry, Ashley talking about their passion and how she can see an everyday life with him”

In relation to JP the post says =”When she is with JP, she is always close to him, sits in his lap and kisses that go on forever. (Fanning myself while typing) “

Generally TALKING about chemistry could mean connection, in sync, they always look to see where the other is, a mutual attraction. This is a Fleiss F1 edit. On the other hand, when they cannot keep their hands off each other, sitting on lap, always kissing, when the expression “get a room” comes to mind as in “fanning myself while typing”. THIS IS the Fleiss F2 chemistry edit. Chemistry as used in F2 edit Is sexual as in Brad Chantal.

So we see that JP clearly has the F2 chemistry edit.

Don't mean to be combative, but I think we need to differentiate between the Bachelor seasons and the Bachelorette seasons.

Ali/Roberto had chemistry as did Meredith/Ian, Jen/Jerry, and dare I say it Jillian/Ed. All were female leads and went with the person they seemed to have the most chemistry with.

In the Bachelor seasons, it appears that the opposite is true. I really don't think comparisons between male and female leads will work when determining a chemistry edit. My opinion only though.


Not only is there a difference in the edits for Bachelor and Bachelorette, but we really can't rely on past edits this season. Having Ashley as Bachelorette (with the whole Bentley fiasco) has thrown many of the traditional editing "rules" out the window. In order for viewers to buy in to Ashley's choice at the end, they had to show much more of her connection with JP Hopefully it will be "Bentley Who?" by the end of this. Also, Ben F. (and the other guys) really aren't on her radar at all so it's a moot point to compare JP's and Ben's edits.

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Post by gurlbrit on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:05 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I noticed that most of us have different interpretations of F2 chemistry edit. This misunderstanding has gone on for a bit. I will use paragraphs of 2 random posts as examples.

In relation to Ben F the post says = “The late date in epi 5, Ames’ comment about their chemistry, Ashley talking about their passion and how she can see an everyday life with him”

In relation to JP the post says =”When she is with JP, she is always close to him, sits in his lap and kisses that go on forever. (Fanning myself while typing) “

Generally TALKING about chemistry could mean connection, in sync, they always look to see where the other is, a mutual attraction. This is a Fleiss F1 edit. On the other hand, when they cannot keep their hands off each other, sitting on lap, always kissing, when the expression “get a room” comes to mind as in “fanning myself while typing”. THIS IS the Fleiss F2 chemistry edit. Chemistry as used in F2 edit Is sexual as in Brad Chantal.

So we see that JP clearly has the F2 chemistry edit.

Don't mean to be combative, but I think we need to differentiate between the Bachelor seasons and the Bachelorette seasons.

Ali/Roberto had chemistry as did Meredith/Ian, Jen/Jerry, and dare I say it Jillian/Ed. All were female leads and went with the person they seemed to have the most chemistry with.

In the Bachelor seasons, it appears that the opposite is true. I really don't think comparisons between male and female leads will work when determining a chemistry edit. My opinion only though.

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Post by happyvalleygirl on Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:52 am

The problem I have with saying the chemistry edit is always F2 is that Roberto definitely got the chemistry edit, and he was not f2. I think one of the things to remember for Ashleys season is that she is saying that she wants someone that she has chemistry with. I think she has the most chemistry with JP at this point. At least Ben is finally on the radar. It will be interesting to watch how much air time these 2 guys get from here on out. They are definitely the only two that she is really interested in at this point.

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Post by anders on Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:15 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I noticed that most of us have different interpretations of F2 chemistry edit. This misunderstanding has gone on for a bit. I will use paragraphs of 2 random posts as examples.

In relation to Ben F the post says = “The late date in epi 5, Ames’ comment about their chemistry, Ashley talking about their passion and how she can see an everyday life with him”

In relation to JP the post says =”When she is with JP, she is always close to him, sits in his lap and kisses that go on forever. (Fanning myself while typing) “

Generally TALKING about chemistry could mean connection, in sync, they always look to see where the other is, a mutual attraction. This is a Fleiss F1 edit. On the other hand, when they cannot keep their hands off each other, sitting on lap, always kissing, when the expression “get a room” comes to mind as in “fanning myself while typing”. THIS IS the Fleiss F2 chemistry edit. Chemistry as used in F2 edit Is sexual as in Brad Chantal.

So we see that JP clearly has the F2 chemistry edit.

I completely agree with you - but I can't overlook how they are trying to give Ben F the chemistry edit, they're trying to convince us by Ames telling us they have chemistry and a few PI statements by Ash to try and establish that chemistry. It's like they know that on the face of it Ben F and Ashley have zero chemistry but need to establish it in order to show the audience that he got the chem edit and that's why he's f2 and not F1.

The true chemistry is with JP and Ash and they don't have to sell it, we can see it with our eyes.

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