Episode 5 - 6/20 - Discussion - Spoilers

chicagoowl wrote:

klarson79 wrote:

sgjsnow wrote:

Admittedly maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see but to me I think she was preoccupied in that chat with JP cause she sees that he is developing strong feelings for her and I think she is developing stronger feelings for him too. I think she realized that out of respect for him (or any other potential guys on the show) and a relationship that develops that she has to put the dot.dot.dot business behind her for good. I think she said as much to CH in the deliberation.

I agree too. That's it, in a nutshell. TPTB are over-dramatizing it for ratings. Otherwise the season would have been pretty boring and uneventful. I think we're not giving Ashley enough credit. She's trying to do the right thing and end this Bentley thing in her mind, so she feels free to fully give herself to others (JP). That moment when she was sitting on JP's lap was pivotal.

gurlbrit wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

klarson79 wrote:

sgjsnow wrote:

Admittedly maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see but to me I think she was preoccupied in that chat with JP cause she sees that he is developing strong feelings for her and I think she is developing stronger feelings for him too. I think she realized that out of respect for him (or any other potential guys on the show) and a relationship that develops that she has to put the dot.dot.dot business behind her for good. I think she said as much to CH in the deliberation.

I agree too. That's it, in a nutshell. TPTB are over-dramatizing it for ratings. Otherwise the season would have been pretty boring and uneventful. I think we're not giving Ashley enough credit. She's trying to do the right thing and end this Bentley thing in her mind, so she feels free to fully give herself to others (JP). That moment when she was sitting on JP's lap was pivotal.

What struck me as odd was they just seemed to walk up to the seat and JP sat down and Ashley plopped herself down on his lap as if she'd been doing the same thing for years. :shock:

Jeepers wrote:JPs comments were pretty much in line with what ChrisL said about it being a done deal and they can all go home now. Maybe a bit different wording but the exact same meaning. So yes, it was an absolute negative

I also nave found over the seasons that some things get a bit overlooked regarding the board favorite. Just wanted to point out that JP does have his moments and makes one think that just maybe he isn't getting that good ole F1 edit. As some call it - wonky

Starshine_16 wrote:

KareyR2 wrote:I am probably the only one here with sympathy and understanding for Ashley in the whole "Bentley" thing. She was raised in a very small town, where they were so trusting, they had an "honour system" at their vegetable stand!!!! Remember how blown away Brad was by that, and how he wanted to live there. I was raised like that, with a Father who made deals on machinery for hundreds of thousands of dollars on a handshake, with never once a bad outcome. That was how I was raised, and I was conned by a international conman and left homeless, penniless, and car less!!! But that's my story on Dateline NBC!!!

It happens.....Ashley had no clue what Bentley was saying behind her back, and when did CH ever even try to clue her in. I never heard CH say anything like you need to hear what he is telling us Ashley, behind your back..."he is calling you an ugly duckling...he is wanting Emily here!!!"....yadda, yadda. Show her the fricking tapes.

While everryone here is pretty much coming down on Ashley, TPTB kept the truth of him, and her ultimate humiliation, from her. They can say they warned her..... I call BS on that. They had plenty of chances to even put a little bug in her ear, and none of that happened. I am sickened and saddened that someone raised, so trusting as Ashley, was played by not only Bentley the A$$....but also TPTB. She was just not raised equipped with that level of evil!!! It is not in her being. It is not a fair fight!!! JMHO
Loving JP for Ashley and Ames for me
Thanks
Karey

etherealfire wrote:

Jeepers wrote:JPs comments were pretty much in line with what ChrisL said about it being a done deal and they can all go home now. Maybe a bit different wording but the exact same meaning. So yes, it was an absolute negative

I also nave found over the seasons that some things get a bit overlooked regarding the board favorite. Just wanted to point out that JP does have his moments and makes one think that just maybe he isn't getting that good ole F1 edit. As some call it - wonky

I totally see your point here, but the one thing I can't overlook at this point is the fact that we really and truly are not being shown anything remotely like real competition for Ashley's heart, including the ghost of DB Bentley, no matter how much they tried to spin it that way last night. I don't think it was you that specifically mentioned this, but whomever it was that pointed out that JP inferred that he had this in the bag... well in his defense, the edit has yet to show us anything to convince me (and I would suggest, the vast majority of viewers) that JP is incorrect in his assertions.

Personally, I adore Ben F, Ryan P and Constantine as much as I do JP - I think they are, each in their own way, stellar guys! But only two of those guy (to me at least) seem even remotely interested in being the last man standing, ring in hand; and that is Ryan P and JP. Of those two guys, only one is being edited to show Ashley returning that interest. Things may change up in the next few weeks (and they are going to have to change up in a very big way to make any sense at all, to me anyway), but as it stands right now, JP really and truly appears to have no viable competition, as far as the editing goes, IMO, anyway.

nd4reality wrote:

I fully agree with your entire post except that I do believe that as of this episode, Bentley is equal if not more a competition than JP. But of course as you said, its his ghost and it remains to be seen how Ashley deals with this.

The other point to note which I agree with you is the second bolded. Perhaps a bolt of lightening strikes her or some similar earth shattering event occurs. But this is needed for her to flip totally for JP too IMO after this whole Bentley drama.

jlccaz wrote:

ironcat wrote:

Alexxxx wrote:

jlccaz wrote:Armchair psychology (just because we can)....

Ashley is being presented as a mess -- insecure, erratic, impulsive, obsessive, and walled off emotionally. She does not seem to be having any fun except in a scripted manner (saying what's socially expected about what is romantic, amazing, etc.).

Frankly? She seems to be a younger, female Brad Womack.... with the classic "daddy issues" exhibited by girls who were abandoned by fathers too young -- i.e., being impulsively/compulsively drawn to abusive inappropriate mates. Brad/Ashely's first date at the amusement park "clicked" for them because they could so deeply relate to the shared pain of a father who walked off the job.

As Ben F was describing his terrific father last night, I read (perhaps projected?!) the pain on her face that she DIDN'T have that. You don't see her transitioning to what a terrific mate Ben would make for HER because he had that. She does not seem to have done adequate processing of her own grief/anger/loss and until she is, she isn't ready to "pick" yet.

One could fantasize that the emotional roller coaster / "journey" of filming this dumb show is the equivalent of therapy, but that's not real. Half the dang season has passed, and she is not going to work it out in the next three weeks of filming.

It's funny, when watching that scene last night between Ben and Ashley and the father discussion, I remembered Brad and Chantal and thinking how much Brad needed Chantal's dad in his life. Ashley could use a dad like Ben's in her life, but you're right. She's not ready.

Gotta say I don't really understand why you say Ashley is "not ready"? She is trying to decide how interested she is in Ben, not his father (who btw, since he is sadly deceased, wouldn't be in her life in the flesh even if she chose Ben). I can certainly understand her feeling some personal pain/loss at hearing about anyone who had/has a wonderful relationship with their dad, since she never had that. But I don't see that reaction as evidence that she is running away from Ben because of it, anymore than it should be a reason that she should pursue him because of it. For all we know, many of the other guys have wonderful dads as well.

The Ben F moment is telling because I have received the magical power of being able to read the mind of reality TV characters from the safe perch of my Tempurpedic bed by staring at a very large Flat screen TV. This stuff just comes to me. [tongue in cheek emoticon]

nd4reality wrote:

etherealfire wrote:

Jeepers wrote:JPs comments were pretty much in line with what ChrisL said about it being a done deal and they can all go home now. Maybe a bit different wording but the exact same meaning. So yes, it was an absolute negative

I also nave found over the seasons that some things get a bit overlooked regarding the board favorite. Just wanted to point out that JP does have his moments and makes one think that just maybe he isn't getting that good ole F1 edit. As some call it - wonky

I totally see your point here, but the one thing I can't overlook at this point is the fact that we really and truly are not being shown anything remotely like real competition for Ashley's heart, including the ghost of DB Bentley, no matter how much they tried to spin it that way last night. I don't think it was you that specifically mentioned this, but whomever it was that pointed out that JP inferred that he had this in the bag... well in his defense, the edit has yet to show us anything to convince me (and I would suggest, the vast majority of viewers) that JP is incorrect in his assertions.

Personally, I adore Ben F, Ryan P and Constantine as much as I do JP - I think they are, each in their own way, stellar guys! But only two of those guy (to me at least) seem even remotely interested in being the last man standing, ring in hand; and that is Ryan P and JP. Of those two guys, only one is being edited to show Ashley returning that interest. Things may change up in the next few weeks (and they are going to have to change up in a very big way to make any sense at all, to me anyway), but as it stands right now, JP really and truly appears to have no viable competition, as far as the editing goes, IMO, anyway.

I fully agree with your entire post except that I do believe that as of this episode, Bentley is equal if not more a competition than JP. But of course as you said, its his ghost and it remains to be seen how Ashley deals with this.

The other point to note which I agree with you is the second bolded. Perhaps a bolt of lightening strikes her or some similar earth shattering event occurs. But this is needed for her to flip totally for JP too IMO after this whole Bentley drama.


Ashley has made the comment that she felt "maybe" some of her relationships have surpased what she had with Bentley. I think that her lightening bolt will be she's going to have a great time on her date with JP, see Bentley and realize she's moved on. And after seeing him she'll realize that she was just fixated on something that wasn't there.

sweetpea wrote:Late to the party as usual. I'm just watching the episode right now...

Had to pause to say Ben F is fricking adorable, and he too has very natural chemistry with Ashley. Their "mental kiss" outside the temple was pretty cool. You could tell from the looks on both their faces they really, really wanted to kiss. Whew.

I still love JP but now I'm loving Ben F too. Yikes. Ashley, you are a lucky girl. It's almost worth the Bentley crap to get all these other amazing men. Almost.

jlccaz wrote:Armchair psychology (just because we can)....

Ashley is being presented as a mess -- insecure, erratic, impulsive, obsessive, and walled off emotionally. She does not seem to be having any fun except in a scripted manner (saying what's socially expected about what is romantic, amazing, etc.).

Frankly? She seems to be a younger, female Brad Womack.... with the classic "daddy issues" exhibited by girls who were abandoned by fathers too young -- i.e., being impulsively/compulsively drawn to abusive inappropriate mates. Brad/Ashely's first date at the amusement park "clicked" for them because they could so deeply relate to the shared pain of a father who walked off the job.

As Ben F was describing his terrific father last night, I read (perhaps projected?!) the pain on her face that she DIDN'T have that. You don't see her transitioning to what a terrific mate Ben would make for HER because he had that. She does not seem to have done adequate processing of her own grief/anger/loss and until she is, she isn't ready to "pick" yet.

One could fantasize that the emotional roller coaster / "journey" of filming this dumb show is the equivalent of therapy, but that's not real. Half the dang season has passed, and she is not going to work it out in the next three weeks of filming.