Bachelor 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr - Episodes - Mar 5th FRC ATFR - #2 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

justcallmegranny wrote:I don't think it is in the contract that he must film the break up, however, unless it has changed it IS in the contract (according to past contestants) that the lead cannot contact the F2 under penalty of a huge fine.  So, while he was not contractually obligated to film it, I'm thinking that may have been the trade-off for being able to contact Lauren without paying a huge fine.  Again, JMO.

GuardianAngel wrote:Again, I don't post my thoughts because I'm sticking up for him, or trying to make him look good.

My point is edit, and the control TPTB have over contestants.

Jason in his twitter Q&A points out in plain English. An example,
https://twitter.com/jason_mesnick/status/970880824768741376

Gotcha! I feel like there’s a line between them really wanting you to find love but also really want to get ratings..I guess next question or to elaborate on that one—is there a lot of pressure to propose?

— Let's Chat Bachelor (@bach_chat) March 6, 2018

One word... YES

— Jason Mesnick (@jason_mesnick) March 6, 2018

kraft33 wrote:I think this show messes with your mind so much. I think Arie chose Becca because she was the safe option and thought it was lust with Lauren. At the end of the day, he just couldn't stop thinking about Lauren. IMO, he made that phone call to Lauren to see if he could get closure but realized the feelings were still there and then he broke up with Becca and pursued Lauren again. IMO, what and Arie have is real. Yes, he got engaged to Becca thinking he was in love and she was the best fit but out of the bubble, it was Lauren he still had a pull for. I give him props for ending it with Becca and pursuing Lauren if that's where his heart was. All these Bach people saying he could have done things differently or whatever are full of it. They know he is the lead and I'm sure doesn't get as much say as how it will go down. It's just easier being on the Arie is a cheater or whatever band wagon because that's what the majority of the viewers think. They are going to go with what most viewers feel. These are the people that follow them after all. Anyway, I think Arie and Lauren understand now how this show can mess with you. I hope for the best for them. Becca on the other hand, has seen what The Bachelor will pull to get their dramatic ending and I'm sure she will still agree to be their Bachelorette. In fact, I'm sure she is totally excited and with her PR experience, she will know how to make her self look great tonight. All IMO.

littlereddress wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Again, I don't post my thoughts because I'm sticking up for him, or trying to make him look good.

My point is edit, and the control TPTB have over contestants.

Jason in his twitter Q&A points out in plain English. An example,
https://twitter.com/jason_mesnick/status/970880824768741376

Gotcha! I feel like there’s a line between them really wanting you to find love but also really want to get ratings..I guess next question or to elaborate on that one—is there a lot of pressure to propose?

— Let's Chat Bachelor (@bach_chat) March 6, 2018

One word... YES

— Jason Mesnick (@jason_mesnick) March 6, 2018

I get the feeling that Jason Mesnick is low key supporting Arie implying that the circumstances were similar.  Very few bach people are willing to support Arie in any way now because it the popular and PC thing to join in with the Arie bashing.  But he seems to be trying talk between the lines that all is not as seems to appear.  JMO.

littlereddress wrote:

pbmax wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Bekah is showing her maturity level. I can see her turning out to be another Corrine on BIP. They always need someone in that role.

What annoys me the most is the way she answers questions followed by the look of "there see how mature I am with that answer" look on her face.

She's getting pathetic with a ego problem. Since fans been complimenting her it's gone to her head. Now she wants to act like she's too good for Arie but she was acting like that when she was locking lips with him and running to him crying.

See this is when I question a contestant.  I think back to her getting all cozy with him so many times, making out, looking pretty happy in that hot tub,  looking googly eyed, feeling like she had power over him, saying he used her age as a reason not to keep her (which to me said she wanted him to pick her).  Now she is off the show he is a tool.  I guess it depends on what day it is.  

northernviewer wrote:Here’s some dialogue from a breakup scene:

I’m so honoured that you would want to be with me because you would never be with anyone who want worthy.

I feel the same way.

Don’t say that ... that makes it worse.

What? .... you don’t love me?

(Shakes head no)

(Laughing)  me either!

You don’t love me?

nope.

But we are so right for each other.

I know.

That’s a scene from Youve Got Mail .... it’s not how breakups happen!!

Anyone of us who ever broke up with anybody, if filmed on camera, would come off looking like Arie did.  Breakups are messy, emotionally exhausting and awkwardly embarrassing.   Many might say “I’d never” but I wouldn’t believe them.  

Hawaii Girl wrote:

littlereddress wrote:

pbmax wrote:

She's getting pathetic with a ego problem. Since fans been complimenting her it's gone to her head. Now she wants to act like she's too good for Arie but she was acting like that when she was locking lips with him and running to him crying.

See this is when I question a contestant.  I think back to her getting all cozy with him so many times, making out, looking pretty happy in that hot tub,  looking googly eyed, feeling like she had power over him, saying he used her age as a reason not to keep her (which to me said she wanted him to pick her).  Now she is off the show he is a tool.  I guess it depends on what day it is.  

Well... yeah. Opinions change. The bubble exists. There are many people who liked Arie, who then changed their minds once they saw how horribly he treated Becca, not just Bekah. It's not like once you form an opinion of someone, you are beholden to that no matter what.