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Post by GuardianAngel on Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:49 pm

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@Hotmomma wrote:
@Tiggerlgh wrote:
@okkaayy wrote:I was thinking about this earlier today, but has ABC actually addressed the Jed situation at all? I know at least I took the Zima video to be their response, but have they released anything that the casual viewer would recognize?

No and I would be shocked if they did.
I agree! My friend across the street just watches ( with me) never reads twitter or IG etc.. doesn’t even have a clue what broke this week ... she just watches it for fun and to be e girls over for wine and munchies!!! And didn’t see the people mag at the checkout!!

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@okkaayy wrote:I was thinking about this earlier today, but has ABC actually addressed the Jed situation at all? I know at least I took the Zima video to be their response, but have they released anything that the casual viewer would recognize?

Fleiss’ tweets

His are cryptic and most casual viewers have no clue who he is imo

@HEA wrote:maybe, just maybe, the fans are making it a big deal when for the prods they find it laughable as any publicity is good publicity for the show aka ratings.

I have see prods editing some guy or girl really bad, ridicule them to the extreme. If the hannah and jed are going strong, they may adress it after show a la Garret when it was a huge issue about his racial comments. one sentence. done. moving on to the happy in luv couple.

jmo

Sharnee wrote:Would be interesting if prods knew about Jed and did Hannah dirty by encouraging it. Prods do put things in Contestants ears to encourage a certain outcome right ?

@LynnTa wrote:IMO, Production knew and I do believe they know about these contestants dating history. Its really not that difficult these days of SM.   The "outing" of the info is very calculated. IMO they choose a time when they can get maximum drama out of it and it has less to do with preserving the integrity of the show or the Lead.  Looking back at past seasons, the outing of gf has always been dramatic and perfectly timed!!

I would like to know when Hannah knew. We have been shown Jed confessing about coming on the show for the wrong reasons (so do a lot of them imo) and  do we know he didn't tell her about the gf?  I do believe the producers do control when (at what point) contestants divulge personal info to the Lead. I can 'hear" them  advising a contestant that "now would be the time to tell her about......  ' I think if the Lead has no interest in a contestant, Producers  tend to out these during the early episodes  I think about Dean, Demario,Peter Bentley, Brooks, Arie(Emily's season)--how their stories were milked. Producers were going for high drama and didn't show,imo any concern about how it would affect the people involved.  I am waiting to see how this plays out.   AJMO

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Post by alwayscooking on Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:08 am

I don't know, I'm having a tough time believing Hannah didn't have some idea about Jed by MTP's If her bother Patrick is a Reddit user, heck even if he's not, these guys names were out here and the Jed rumors were already circulating. It seems like Patrick and Momma Sue would be checking these guys out. I know if I had a sibling on a show like this I'd be paying for background checks on the top guys! laugh out loud I remember Rachel's sister, Constance had looked into her top 3. Especially with Patrick's girlfriend living in Nashville seems like and easy thing to check into.

Now Hannah very well may have still chosen Jed, even knowing this, and it was edited out because they didn't want her and her f1 to look bad given the Scott fiasco. Could be why it's been rumored they didn't want this story to come out now while the show is still airing, once the season is over I'm sure they would care less if it came out.
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Post by Guest on Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:18 am

@alwayscooking Just the fact that Jed has stripper on his real resume would be concerning if I were a parent. Even if you goggle his name, you’ll come across him doing mirror selfies and admiring his body. Rolling Eyes I posted one in his thread. We saw the one at reddit and I took a screenshot of another but it was linked to a private account . Can’t see Hannah picking someone who lies and does the one thing she specifically said she disliked . Jmo


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Post by Bachhh022 on Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:21 am

@alwayscooking wrote:I don't know, I'm having a tough time believing Hannah didn't have some idea about Jed by MTP's  If her bother Patrick is a Reddit user, heck even if he's not, these guys names were out here and the Jed rumors were already circulating.  It seems like Patrick and Momma Sue would be checking these guys out.  I know if I had a sibling on a show like this I'd be  paying for background checks on the top guys! laugh out loud  I remember Rachel's sister, Constance had looked into her top 3.  Especially with Patrick's girlfriend living in Nashville seems like and easy thing to check into.

Now Hannah very well may have still chosen Jed, even knowing this, and it was edited out because they didn't want her and her f1 to look bad given the Scott fiasco.  Could be why it's been rumored they didn't want this story to come out now while the show is still airing, once the season is over I'm sure they would care less if it came out.

i still think we may get a scene were Jed tells her *some* version of a confession about the gf. is it completely honest? probs not. But how Lauren Zima kept saying "we havent seen it all, maybe he'll tell her!" i took that as something is coming up and TPTB want us to know that laugh out loud
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Post by just me on Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:27 am

Interesting article:https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-bachelorette-hannah-brown-season-15.html/
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Post by Guest on Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:42 am

@just me wrote:Interesting article:https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-bachelorette-hannah-brown-season-15.html/

Very interesting with the new developments.

I will tell you that I’m happy and, ultimately, this season and how it all turned out is not how I thought it would be. It just wasn’t. It doesn’t mean that it’s not good. I think it happened the exact way that it was supposed to, and I feel really excited and blessed to have the opportunity that I’ve had and feel really good and want you all to see what that is. I can’t really tell you much more.


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Post by AprilApril on Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:20 am

Because nothing is happening right now but I crave content, here is my summary that I sent to my poor unlucky daughters today who don't watch the show. Nothing new and very long but I had so much fun writing it.

"I can't believe it's my first US bach I am watching and it is like this… There are only 3 guys mentioned, Luke, Tyler and Jed so you only have to engage with 3 stories and then again Tyler is just a tiniest mention.

Hannah, 24, beauty queen, Southern, her faith is very important, the theme is that she at last wants to stand up for herself, she doesn't want to be not chosen, she wants a man who fights for her, and a real, honest person. She has had sex ("and Jesus still loves me") and kisses all the boys (major diff from Aust Bach, and also they have overnight dates with the last 3 where cameras stop and anything can happen).

Filming finished in May in Greece and they started to show the eps basically straight away. Everything changed around last Monday/Tuesday when ep 6 was supposed to air. Instead, they showed a montage of what happened this far (never happened before in 18 years) and gave away the ending of the major storyline with Luke which is also very odd.

Luke is/was the resident villain. He is controlling, manipulative, a liar, the men all figured it out and hate him, believe me, a true piece of work - but religious and Hannah's type, got the first impression rose. He was a womaniser but then god came to him in the shower and now he is a saint. She actually sent him home ep 5 but he turned around and came back, so thinking is that producers wanted him to stay for the drama, or Hannah really stupidly fell for his lies because she liked him too much. We knew from the trailers, AND THEN it was all shown in this odd last episode that he in fact stays until the overnight dates - she takes 4 guys not 3 (which was never done before either) but Luke's overnight doesn't happen because he comes with the line that the marital bed should be kept pure etc and basically Hannah explodes, says the jesus line and sends him home with a middle finger. So why did they give away the ending weeks before it airs and also drama makes people wanna watch? No one knows. There is footage in the trailers when Hannah is told by the producers that someone came back with a ring ready to propose. Is this Luke back again?


Tyler is a very good looking guy, but also was a debater and volunteers and was said to be the winner and people ADORE him. Fantastic dates with Hannah. Nothing fishy about him.


Jed was thought to be the runner up, Nashville musician, who owned up to Hannah (ep 4) that he came on the show for exposure and fame but now he likes her.

And here it goes: as the last odd ep aired, a major twitter person changed his spoiler and declared Jed a winner. So it's been six weeks since the final rose ceremony, and everybody tries to get insider scoop and people are monitoring the movements of Hannah, Tyler and Jed to see if they are catching up in real life.
At the same time as the ep aired and the spoiler changed, People magazine (who I since learned is the official publication for the Bach and reputable too) comes out with Jed's girlfriend story, that they were together when he left for filming. There is ample proof, pics, texts of their 4month relationship where the girl, also a musician, basically agrees ok go on the show you get exposure at least, but we love each other and he reassures her the whole time. Proof up to the last moment when he lands for filming in LA. It is shady that she agreed to this, but again we know now that Jed is also a master charmer and manipulator lying to everyone. But no matter what we think of the girl coming forward, the story is true and Jed is a major douchebag. (Just one sentence, the girl's motivation to tell her story finally since Jed went back home and ghosted her is that this story has been floating around for weeks and she wanted to control the narrative of her own story.) 99% of people believe her and everyone on SM is aghast.

BECAUSE ALSO in episode 1 (and this only makes sense now):
They spent half the ep on a guy who had a girlfriend, and Hannah sent despicable him home. They made this a huge story, two of Hannah's past contestant friends came in a surveillance van, saying that they got info that one of the guys had a girlfriend, they watched the first night from the van and when they spotted the guy they told Hannah. A surveillance van! Men did not get to speak to Hannah on night 1 (never happens apparently) because she spent so much time sorting this out. Then Hannah explicitly told the men if someone has a girlfriend they should go home now. So all this on camera, not just dealt with behind the scenes. Other 2-3 contestants who turned out to be unsavoury were sent home behind the scenes without any of their stories being shown on TV. But this was all shown, this was a major plot line, with the silly surveillance van.

So what happens next? Did Hannah know about Jed? When did she know? Did Jed disclose more info about himself but at intervals that was beneficial to him? So that Hannah by then fell in love? Who else knew? What is happening? Why did they not show the next ep? Buying time, reediting? Is Hannah with Jed? They broke up now? Her Instagram/twitter likes and posts seem to suggest she is with Jed and forgiving him and everyone thinks this sucks given how her story line was this real, honest vibe, standing up for herself and being strong (which she kind of achieved with Luke eventually). AND given the first ep drama she should not put up with Jed. Most importantly too is actually Tyler the winner?" **All JMO**


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Post by BlueTone on Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:33 am

@AprilApril Well done!


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Post by Lucas15 on Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:40 am

Sharnee wrote:Would be interesting if prods knew about Jed and did Hannah dirty by encouraging it. Prods do put things in Contestants ears to encourage a certain outcome right ?


IMO they did indeed know about Jed and Haley - while we only heard details last week they've been out there for a while. A blogger named Kelley Keegs (her IG account) heard rumors about this and sent a tweet asking for information and got tons of it (from friends of Haley) - mostly telling the same story we heard from People Magazine last week. There was a Reddit post about Kelley and the information she got from a month ago! Kelley also talked about this on her website more recently (Source). RS posted that he had heard about Haley and tried to contact her and give her a platform to tell her side but she never replied to him and ultimately went to People for a platform. With this much going on in the background I have a hard time believing that TPTB didn't know the story. It's also my opinion that they set up the outing of Scott not because he was a factor going forward but rather a trap for Hannah that would be sprung later on with someone else (apparently now Jed). Hannah sent Scott home on the spot and IMO now she has Jed outed as doing the same thing Scott did and we have yet to see how that goes down (other than spoilers). JMHO but this falls into the category of doing Hannah dirty. But it's not the only thing they did, IMO. We have Luke ...

It's a bit hard for me to completely buy that Hannah was so enamored by Luke that she kept him on as long as she did - mostly what I remember seeing is all the fights and disagreements they had - including a refusal to give Luke a date rose which would normally result in a quick ride home - and yet Luke stayed and actually got a rose at the RC. Hannah did something that by all past show practices would have eliminated Luke, but instead he shows up at a RC and gets a rose and there's no explanation as to how or why this happened. Doesn't make sense to me that this was Hannah's doing. Furthermore, Luke goes on to get a HTD and is kept for a 4th FD (scheduled to be the last FD) with only the explanation that Hannah couldn't make up her mind about which 3 to keep so she kept 4. It's my opinion they wanted Luke around for FD - and the last one - to set up the ultimate confrontation with Hannah over the issue of sex before marriage. That confrontation was, IMO, entirely predictable knowing Luke's views on it and how different they are from Hannah's. This just stinks (to me) of producer manipulation and just how dirty they did Hannah.


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Post by Hotmomma on Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:49 am

@Lucas15 I agree it was totally producers manipulation ! Their story board. I feel Bad for Hannah being young (thinking they were her friends) it will be interesting how it all will play out
Side note/ not sure WHO her F1 is! JMO
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Post by Lucas15 on Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:03 am

@Hotmomma wrote:@Lucas15 I agree it was totally producers manipulation ! Their story board.  I feel Bad for Hannah being young (thinking they were her friends) it will be interesting how it all will play out
Side note/ not sure WHO her F1 is! JMO

After a while you can begin to see story lines that are repeats - taken from other shows and other seasons that they felt worked well (ie created drama). IMO this season we have a couple of them but carried to the extreme compared to past seasons:

1 - Here for the wrong reasons (eg self promotion instead of love)
2 - Has a GF back home
3 - The villain that everyone else sees through but the lead is blind to - until very late in the show when they see their true colors

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Post by HEA on Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:10 am

@Lucas15 your analysis is spot on, as usual.

Every time I see CH having this chat with the lead, I am thinking hypocrite snake at work with the lead... **IMO**CH is jaded and his goal is to add drama. He does not like any of those leads and contestants and mostly dispise them for wanting to be part of this edited show where they literrally sign a 100 pages contract (maybe not 100 but close enough I think). CH is making this fake compassion face each time using fake compassion words. Why the leads think he is their friend, I have no clue.

This show is all about manipulation, editing, twisting reality, ridicule contestants, forcing drama; pushing jealousy (ask a contestant to interrupt). It is THE #1 TV reality show. That among this some do end married or still engaged after a year is a miracle to me.

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