Re: Drew Kenney - Bachelorette 9 Contestant - Discussion - Thread #4

[SueSt]

Sue I added last weeks comment also from CH

thanks ND... they don't change my knee-jerk response... above

What do YOU think?

[Guest]

Here are my questions

What exactly did we see on the HTD that made it so pivotal. From a causal viewer (without the benefit of the previews) we would say they all ended up on a happy note. At least that is what it was edited to be. Then why would CH say that the HTs would make the ending of the season clear ?

Good questions ND... so for me the focus has to be on Brooks and his HTD... because unlike Drew and Chris' dates... there seemed to be a lot up in the air... #1 - warning bell for me was that I personally didn't think Brooks' mother was too keen on Des... and maybe that's what caused Brooks to step back... and if that was the reason he stepped back, I don't think he's coming back...

That's exactly what I thought as well. Though I will add that I think the discussion with the brothers and sister really gave him pause. If he wasn't ready to say he could make Des happy for the rest of their lives right then and there and then had a week to ruminate on it without seeing her- it might have put him on Meltdown Road by the time he sees her in Antigua. But Sue is right, he made clear that momma's opinion was first and foremost.

[SueSt]

Here are my questions

What exactly did we see on the HTD that made it so pivotal. From a causal viewer (without the benefit of the previews) we would say they all ended up on a happy note. At least that is what it was edited to be. Then why would CH say that the HTs would make the ending of the season clear ?

Good questions ND... so for me the focus has to be on Brooks and his HTD... because unlike Drew and Chris' dates... there seemed to be a lot up in the air... #1 - warning bell for me was that I personally didn't think Brooks' mother was too keen on Des... and maybe that's what caused Brooks to step back... and if that was the reason he stepped back, I don't think he's coming back...

That's exactly what I thought as well.  Though I will add that I think the discussion with the brothers and sister really gave him pause.  If he wasn't ready to say he could make Des happy for the rest of their lives right then and there and then had a week to ruminate on it without seeing her- it might have put him on Meltdown Road by the time he sees her in Antigua.  But Sue is right, he made clear that momma's opinion was first and foremost.

Thanks Auntie... so being a relative newbie to these forums.. if this is correct and the spoilers are wrong - WOW - how often does that happen?

[nd4reality]

Here are my questions

What exactly did we see on the HTD that made it so pivotal. From a causal viewer (without the benefit of the previews) we would say they all ended up on a happy note. At least that is what it was edited to be. Then why would CH say that the HTs would make the ending of the season clear ?

Good questions ND... so for me the focus has to be on Brooks and his HTD... because unlike Drew and Chris' dates... there seemed to be a lot up in the air... #1 - warning bell for me was that I personally didn't think Brooks' mother was too keen on Des... and maybe that's what caused Brooks to step back... and if that was the reason he stepped back, I don't think he's coming back...

Possibly that she ended her season with the good feeling generated by the HTDs ? Which HTD have they really been bragging about ? And who was a pivot character on HTs. Not Brooks certainly. I have seen nowhere that they have said that Brooks had a great HT and she got the validation that she so greatly needed from that visit. No, instead they have been gently knocking on our heads that it was Drews HT that put a place for him in her heart. The magazine article basically said the same thing. Front runner Brooks, stealth contestant - Drew.
Now CH mentions the word pivotal so often and more importantly that the HTs is the catalyst for her decisions on the finale. Seems a bit of a clue to me. 
Speculation and opinion only of course.

[SueSt]

Here are my questions

What exactly did we see on the HTD that made it so pivotal. From a causal viewer (without the benefit of the previews) we would say they all ended up on a happy note. At least that is what it was edited to be. Then why would CH say that the HTs would make the ending of the season clear ?

Good questions ND... so for me the focus has to be on Brooks and his HTD... because unlike Drew and Chris' dates... there seemed to be a lot up in the air... #1 - warning bell for me was that I personally didn't think Brooks' mother was too keen on Des... and maybe that's what caused Brooks to step back... and if that was the reason he stepped back, I don't think he's coming back...

Possibly that she ended her season with the good feeling generated by the HTDs ? Which HTD have they really been bragging about ? And who was  a pivot character on HTs. Not Brooks certainly. I have seen nowhere that they have said that Brooks had a great HT and she got the  validation that she so greatly needed from that visit. No, instead they have been gently knocking on our heads that it was Drews HT that put a place for him in her heart. The magazine article basically said the same thing. Front runner Brooks, stealth contestant - Drew.
Now CH mentions the word pivotal so often and more importantly that the HTs is the catalyst for her decisions on the finale. Seems a bit of a clue to me. 
Speculation and opinion only of course.

and what a HTD it was - I mean the best. Yes, yes and yes... I love your analysis!!!

[Mimi27]

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Yes, indeed. Drew definitely has definitely won the best body category.  

[SueSt]

By the by, wanted to add that the kiss at the end of Drew's HTD is hot, hot, hot. I watched it again today and swooned!

[Buckeye_Fan]

What?  You don't think Chris getting his nasal cavities cleared out was the pivotal moment?  :Smiley: 

I agree, it must have something to do with the visit with Brooks' family.  Des was asking if he was ready to settle down, and she was told yes, to the right girl.  I'd take that as a warning if he wasn't responding like the other guys.  However, maybe the speed at which Brooks is responding is more natural.  Who knows.

I just keep on having suspicions about Drew.  The first spoiler we got was that he was F1.  Then he was F4, then F3, and now he appears to be at least F2.  The horse who is coming up from behind.  To take it all?  Why do we never hear Des say anything about Drew when she's telling Chris H she loves Brooks, but she also feels a lot for Chris.  Could she also be saying something very positive about Drew, but they don't want us to hear about that?  I'm guessing every season the lead is telling Chris who they have fallen for, or at least who they like best.  But we don't get to see that.  They want us to know Des is head-over-heels for Brooks.  Why?  Because he leaves and returns, pledging his undying love?  Or because he leaves, and she realizes that she's better off with a wonderful guy who is crazy about her and won't leave her?

[SueSt]

What?  You don't think Chris getting his nasal cavities cleared out was the pivotal moment?  :Smiley: 

I agree, it must have something to do with the visit with Brooks' family.  Des was asking if he was ready to settle down, and she was told yes, to the right girl.  I'd take that as a warning if he wasn't responding like the other guys.  However, maybe the speed at which Brooks is responding is more natural.  Who knows.

I just keep on having suspicions about Drew.  The first spoiler we got was that he was F1.  Then he was F4, then F3, and now he appears to be at least F2.  The horse who is coming from behind.  To take it all?  Why do we never hear Des say anything about Drew when she's telling Chris H she loves Brooks, but she also feels a lot for Chris.  Could she also be saying something very positive about Drew, but they don't want us to hear about that?  I'm guessing every season the lead is telling Chris who they have fallen for, or at least who they like best.  But we don't get to see that.  They want us to know Des is head-over-heels for Brooks.  Why?  Because he leaves and returns, pledging his undying love?  Or because he leaves, and she realizes that she's better off with a wonderful guy who is crazy about her?

Great post, Buckeye. ITA.... Drew's open declarations of love made me swoon this week! But your nasal cavity comment... OMG, you had me laughing out loud!!

[Guest]

Here are my questions

What exactly did we see on the HTD that made it so pivotal. From a causal viewer (without the benefit of the previews) we would say they all ended up on a happy note. At least that is what it was edited to be. Then why would CH say that the HTs would make the ending of the season clear ?

Good questions ND... so for me the focus has to be on Brooks and his HTD... because unlike Drew and Chris' dates... there seemed to be a lot up in the air... #1 - warning bell for me was that I personally didn't think Brooks' mother was too keen on Des... and maybe that's what caused Brooks to step back... and if that was the reason he stepped back, I don't think he's coming back...

That's exactly what I thought as well.  Though I will add that I think the discussion with the brothers and sister really gave him pause.  If he wasn't ready to say he could make Des happy for the rest of their lives right then and there and then had a week to ruminate on it without seeing her- it might have put him on Meltdown Road by the time he sees her in Antigua.  But Sue is right, he made clear that momma's opinion was first and foremost.

Thanks Auntie... so being a relative newbie to these forums.. if this is correct and the spoilers are wrong - WOW - how often does that happen?

The spoilers have been wrong before- it is not an impossible feat. But it is unlikely. Since Brad 2.0 the number and reliability of the spoilers has increased (at least IMO). In the past, when there was an update, even from Love, she shared as soon as she was sure. I don't put much stock in RS anymore but Love, San, sophie, and RS all together is pretty telling. So while not impossible, it is kind of a "dangerous" hope to bet against them.

In any case, I've been ruminating on something for a while. I think we have been so focused on Brooks and his leaving and coming back (at least some of which I'm pretty sure happens) that I think we're missing something with Drew. Some issue, drama, twist, positive development- really I don't know. But something happens with Drew's story arc- which is why the SCs for both Brooks and Drew don't quite add up. Does that mean the spoilers are incorrect. No, not necessarily. But if we're trying to put the puzzle of what happens to get us from Point A to Point B together then I think we're still missing something besides just Brooks leaves.

[SueSt]

The spoilers have been wrong before- it is not an impossible feat.  But it is unlikely.  Since Brad 2.0 the number and reliability of the spoilers has increased (at least IMO).  In the past, when there was an update, even from Love, she shared as soon as she was sure.  I don't put much stock in RS anymore but Love, San, sophie, and RS all together is pretty telling.  So while not impossible, it is kind of a "dangerous" hope to bet against them.

In any case, I've been ruminating on something for a while.  I think we have been so focused on Brooks and his leaving and coming back (at least some of which I'm pretty sure happens) that I think we're missing something with Drew.  Some issue, drama, twist, positive development- really I don't know.  But something happens with Drew's story arc- which is why the SCs for both Brooks and Drew don't quite add up.  Does that mean the spoilers are incorrect.  No, not necessarily.  But if we're trying to put the puzzle of what happens to get us from Point A to Point B together then I think we're still missing something besides just Brooks leaves.

Any idea of what it could be???

[Mimi27]

Here are my questions

What exactly did we see on the HTD that made it so pivotal. From a causal viewer (without the benefit of the previews) we would say they all ended up on a happy note. At least that is what it was edited to be. Then why would CH say that the HTs would make the ending of the season clear ?

Good questions ND... so for me the focus has to be on Brooks and his HTD... because unlike Drew and Chris' dates... there seemed to be a lot up in the air... #1 - warning bell for me was that I personally didn't think Brooks' mother was too keen on Des... and maybe that's what caused Brooks to step back... and if that was the reason he stepped back, I don't think he's coming back...

That's exactly what I thought as well.  Though I will add that I think the discussion with the brothers and sister really gave him pause.  If he wasn't ready to say he could make Des happy for the rest of their lives right then and there and then had a week to ruminate on it without seeing her- it might have put him on Meltdown Road by the time he sees her in Antigua.  But Sue is right, he made clear that momma's opinion was first and foremost.

Thanks Auntie... so being a relative newbie to these forums.. if this is correct and the spoilers are wrong - WOW - how often does that happen?

The spoilers have been wrong before- it is not an impossible feat.  But it is unlikely.  Since Brad 2.0 the number and reliability of the spoilers has increased (at least IMO).  In the past, when there was an update, even from Love, she shared as soon as she was sure.  I don't put much stock in RS anymore but Love, San, sophie, and RS all together is pretty telling.  So while not impossible, it is kind of a "dangerous" hope to bet against them.

In any case, I've been ruminating on something for a while.  I think we have been so focused on Brooks and his leaving and coming back (at least some of which I'm pretty sure happens) that I think we're missing something with Drew.  Some issue, drama, twist, positive development- really I don't know.  But something happens with Drew's story arc- which is why the SCs for both Brooks and Drew don't quite add up.  Does that mean the spoilers are incorrect.  No, not necessarily.  But if we're trying to put the puzzle of what happens to get us from Point A to Point B together then I think we're still missing something besides just Brooks leaves.

The missing piece might be what Des told CH about her feelings for Drew. She must have said something, either positive or negative! Maybe it didn't fit into the storyboard, so it was omitted.

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