Bachelorette Australia - Season 4 - Ali Oetjen - Screencaps - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Agent99 wrote:

Maybe this?  It doesn't look nearly as glamorous though in the hard light of day  Mostly I thought the horizontal rock layers was the same.




https://www.australias.guide/nt/attraction-tour/berry-springs-nature-park/


ETA Oh snap, hopefully it is the same place as you @Allaboutlove!

AllAboutLove wrote:Thinking it may be Berry Springs Nature Park in Darwin NT they tube there and the waterfall seems to match 

https://www.tripadvisor.com.my/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g255066-d735756-i233001530-Berry_Springs_Nature_Park-Darwin_Top_End_Northern_Territory.html
https://www.enjoy-darwin.com/berry-springs-nature-park.html


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@Agent99 yes same one! Woohoo Your pic is so much better than the one I saw - definitely agree it's Berry Springs Nature Park    I kept googling tubing for the other location and it seemed like Berry Springs matched it better.

This means the scs for Todd/waterfall and airboat would definitely be F3/Fantasy Dates at minimum.... or F2/LCD last chance dates.

Typically LCDs/F2 are more romantic and they travel somewhere and considering both scs are in NT location then I am leaning towards them being LCD/F2 s/caps. 

If F2/LCD dates then....
- Todd at waterfall  
- Taite on airboat  

Taite speculated/spoiled as F1... which means Todd's very likely F2 then. 


I mean I thought Todd would get Matty J'd at F2 but still    Then again make Todd next lead  

Any idea where FRC is? If LCDs are in Darwin it's likely FRC is somewhere there too   

And OMG Ali sobbing her eyes out with F2 (Todd it looks like per SC/sleuthing) Wow! This is more than just Matty J   

I haven never seen a Bette lead sob this hard about a F2 ever 

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I noticed there is someone walking in the SC for Ali when she is sobbing at FRC.

It's not the person who says goodbye as they are shown in a lighter suit. It's not Osher as he is also in a lighter suit color (unless it is Osher and he is saying something after she lets F2 go and they dubbed Goodbye over it? Farfetched but the suit colors are similar). Not sure if is a male - could be someone from makeup? Strange to be in a suit though? Maybe just a jacket and something else? If tone/hue of SC has been edited it almost looks like Osher's suit is similar in color to Goodbye suit. Hard to see how they are the same but trying to figure out who has the darker suit color?

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Heartbreak has been Todd's theme from his first meeting with Ali on the red carpet (he talked about being heartbroken) so makes total sense to end it with heartbreak too IMO and as I've said previously, I don't think he's remotely Ali's usual type (nor vice-versa looking at pics of his ex) so I think it was TPTB's plan to have him as F2 and that to me suggests only one thing: Next Lead.

@Bobette  we called that before the season aired  Matty J'd indeed! Ali's reaction though I bet he was the one she TRIED (as she said) to be with. Because honestly, he's such a better catch imo than Taite and I bet her logic knew this but hey she like most leads goes with her type. Can't fault her for that because she's doing Australia a great service with giving us Todd as lead

AllAboutLove wrote:@Bobette  we called that before the season aired  Matty J'd indeed! Ali's reaction though I bet he was the one she TRIED (as she said) to be with. Because honestly, he's such a better catch imo than Taite and I bet her logic knew this but hey she like most leads goes with her type. Can't fault her for that because she's doing Australia a great service with giving us Todd as lead

We sure did mate    both the F1 and the F2!

I think Todd's an absolute gem but the edit he's getting is making him look like a 24 carat super sparkly one of a kind gem - and we haven't even seen any of his dates yet!  

Ali is going to face MASSIVE backlash when she chooses Taite IMO.  Don't know if you saw the post I made on Taite's thread about his red carpet video?  It was very sweet but they showed none of it.

IMO they cast Ali as Lead because they know she's an easy meat puppet for them to work with and don't care if they throw her under the bus by making it look like she made the "WRONG" choice.

With Todd confirmed F2 (imo) I'm now even more sure of what I've thought from the beginning which is that this season is less about Ali and more about promoting their next Lead.

Which I'm obviously fine with.  

Thinking about these SCs. Many of us speculated that it's likely Osher in the lighter suit.

For the sc with the "goodbye" Ali's eyes look red from crying. So I think this is after she dumps F2/Todd per sleuthing.

I can't tell in the sc with Osher but Ali's eyes may be red from crying in that sc too. 

If the scs are from the same moment after she sent F2/Todd per sleuthing home and sobbed... then Osher asks Ali if she is making the right. Ali says yes she is making the right choice.

So if the moment Osher asks Ali this is after F2/Todd is sent home then I think it's giving Ali a way to show that even though she sobbed she still wants Taite, the choice she is making. 

AllAboutLove wrote:
Osher asking her if she is making the right decision (so obviously Osh and everyone else thinks she is not!)



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@Bobette   this has been fun  First Taite before Sportsbet spoiled and now Todd too (thank you @Agent99 for confirming the scs). On a roll here   A win-win with Todd as F2 and Taite with Ali (wishes come true  ). Just need to make sure it is LCD but at this moment I think the other scs are more likely to be FD/F3.  

ITA about Todd  After failed dud celeb Nick I have no doubt they'll have to go with a returnee lead. Todd is the only one I can see that happening with (Rob is a possibility but only if he was F2). With Todd as F2 he has it all. 

I posted in Todd's thread here that his edit is like all the good parts of Richie/F3 (Bach lead), MattyJ/F2 (Bach lead), and Lee (F1). I bet TPTB were thanking their lucky stars that he went on. I know I am  

AllAboutLove wrote:Thinking about these SCs. Many of us speculated that it's likely Osher in the lighter suit.

For the sc with the "goodbye" Ali's eyes look red from crying. So I think this is after she dumps F2/Todd per sleuthing.

I can't tell in the sc with Osher but Ali's eyes may be red from crying in that sc too. 

If the scs are from the same moment after she sent F2/Todd per sleuthing home and sobbed... then Osher asks Ali if she is making the right. Ali says yes she is making the right choice.

So if the moment Osher asks Ali this is after F2/Todd is sent home then I think it's giving Ali a way to show that even though she sobbed she still wants Taite, the choice she is making. 

AllAboutLove wrote:
Osher asking her if she is making the right decision (so obviously Osh and everyone else thinks she is not!)



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The person in dark clothing is production staff IMO - probably the person who fixes tear-streaked make up after the Lead realises she's just dumped Australia's most eligible Bachelor.

As for her talking to Osher, her eyes don't look red at all in the first one so I think he says are you sure, she dumps Todd, and then Osher goes back in to talk to her (and really rub it in )



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That production staff member must be impervious to heat.  All black, long sleeves in the NT heat.

IA it's staff going to her after she is sobbing to fix her makeup etc. I reckon she broke down once F2 already left and then they rush to her.

My option 1 thought has been Osher says "Are you sure"... Ali dumps F2/Todd imo... then Osher talking to her to comfort her. 

But option 2 I was thinking when I looked at the preview fast it seemed like her eyes were a bit red. I reckon they'd wait longer since she was sobbing so not as red so maybe not the same sequence but Osher asking after she has sobbed then makeup fixed (they won't let him talk to her with streaks on her face  ). IDK, just a thought. Either way it won't go down well for Ali.

Then again, option 3 could be F2 is in a light suit and she is tearing up before the full blown sobbing. I still think they'd go with darker suits to match her dress better though. More like Sam Frost's season so I am with option 1 and possibly 2 atm.

Per number of SCs, I am thinking if not part of a GD this is Bill's SD and he's maybe like Cam and F5? Cam only got one SD before he was eliminated at F5. The only other SCs for Bill are with Ivan (both have their heads in their hands). F10 includes Bill so that s/cap was likely pre-F10.




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